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Offline vinista

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Hello to all,
Not sure how emotional support animals/service dogs work... how to go about locating one... the legal process, etc..

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I volunteer with a woman who has several disabilities and would benefit from having either a ESA OR SD...
She has mental retardation, a seizure disorder, and another issue relating to her need to be physically close to something (probably has more to do with the mental retardation and having difficulty remembering what is ok and not okay with touching other people, etc).

She cannot fully care for an animal, independently.. She cannot clean up after a dog, bath a dog, or pay for the dog's needs (unsure about financials, though...) Does this disqualify her from being able to have a SD or ESA? She has no family, lives in a home with several other individuals with disabilities- there is always at least 1 person on staff at all times.

HELP....
I would very much like to find out if there is any way she could have an ESA or SD... or if there are programs available that could maybe bring an animal by for x hours every x number of days...? 
Maybe no one has the right answers for me, but if anyone could lead me in the right direction that would be great... I have no idea who I can talk to about finding out this information.

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Re: Help me help someone with multiple disabilities: I am lost! ESA? SD???
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2009, 03:51:09 PM »
Yes,
all those reasons would disqualify her for her own ESA in the form of a dog. However, in home emotional support animals can be anything a person likes that's legal for them to keep I.e. domestic rats, bunnies, fish, etc. If the person running the home wanted they could apply for a facility dog (see Googlesearch  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=XgG&ei=7i3aSoj8HozUsQPzwuiMBg&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAYQBSgA&q=Facility+Dogs&spell=1

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Re: Help me help someone with multiple disabilities: I am lost! ESA? SD???
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2009, 04:12:54 PM »
It sounds like you are looking to find a Therapy Dog that can provide regular visits for this client.  A therapy dog is a dog that is trained, insured, and brought into hospitals and nursing homes and schools and different locations to cheer up or help people who are ill or disabled or could benefit from visits with a well mannered dog.  This is typically the handler's pet dog and the handler typically volunteers their time and commits to these visits.  My first reaction was that if you can locate a therapy dog to do regular therapy visits for this individual and anyone else at her home interested.  You should be able to contact your local chapter of Delta Society or Therapy Dogs International and they will be able to assist you with that (I will get the links shortly).

From what you say, she is not necessarly able to provide the care and direction for the dog on a regular basis.  Service dog programs tend to want that to be the case and if not have a back up handler who is trained to step in and take over the care when the PWD is unable.  The problem with expecting aids to do that in a supportive living enviornment is that the training is intense for the handler, and aids do tend to come in and out of such situations and the dog needs the stability and reliability of one handler.  Also the care of the dog is typically considered out of the scope of the job for aids and could detract from the care they can provide for other residents (think emergency evacuation, for one).  Then there is the financial issue, and service dogs do tend to be expensive and it is typically the responsibility of the handler to pay for their care.  Of course each situation is different and it will be important to discuss the particulars with those directly knowledgable with this situation and any prospective service dog programs.  If the facility wants to apply for a facility dog, that might be something to consider as well.

Another thought I had was to possibly locate a service dog program nearby.  If this woman has a job coach they might be able to facilitate times during the week to go to the training campus and help socialize, train, or otherwise be around the dogs.  This will take a lot more investment along with willingness of the program, but it is something I have recently assisted in setting up for an individual with a developmental disability who is obsessed with my dog.
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Re: Help me help someone with multiple disabilities: I am lost! ESA? SD???
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2009, 05:18:57 PM »
It sounds like she is living in a group home - and all the residents may benefit from a group therapy dog - a dog that lives in the home with all the residents and is cared for by all the residents.  If there is some disqualifying reason - (violent outbursts for example) by residents, then perhaps as suggested, a therapy dog that she can either visit with or have visit her. 

A service dog must be cared for by its person for the bond to be complete and beneficial.  One of my girl's trainers put it best - all the good things in life must come from their human; and all of the commands and corrections must come from their human in order for the bond to be true and complete."  I never forgot that phrase and we live by that -- I have a spouse and 2 kids - and no one but me gives my service dog attention, praise, treats, food, corrections when naughty, etc.  Her attention is totally to me.  That also assists in keeping their attention focused on their human out in public when dimwits are throwing a cheeseburger in front of your dog (yes, that has happened to me). 

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Re: Help me help someone with multiple disabilities: I am lost! ESA? SD???
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2009, 07:33:47 PM »
Thank you so much, everyone for the helpful comments.

She lives with 3 other individuals.  I'm not sure how well an animal would do in the home, at all, because an animal deserves attention, love and care, just like any other animal.  I think a cat/dog would be best for this woman, in particular.

I wasn't sure if there was possibly someone that could come and care for the animal off and on (I realize it may be more difficult with a changing staff person).  But yes, I think that it should NOT be the sole responsibility of the staff person (at the residence) to take care of the animal in addition to all of their other tasks...

Thanks for pointing me into the right direction!

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Re: Help me help someone with multiple disabilities: I am lost! ESA? SD???
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2009, 11:49:49 PM »
A cat might be a good option... if the staff are ok with it... cats are a whole lot more independant.  They need to be fed and the litter needs cleaning and there is vet care, but a lot less work than a dog.
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Re: Help me help someone with multiple disabilities: I am lost! ESA? SD???
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2009, 12:34:11 AM »
All dogs no matter what there role in life need consistency in their care and attention and this is the biggest problem and the main reason why facility dog placements break down. The staff change and the dogs do not have one or even a few key people giving them consistent care and attention. Everyone has different expectations and given the number of staff that many of these places can experience that can cause huge issues, not to mention the need to continually monitor the residents around the dog. No dog is bite proof and like you never leave a child alone with a dog for even a second, nor should you be leaving someone with a severe developmental disability alone with a dog. It is also crucial for dogs to have a place where they can go for time out and that you can guarantee that no one will try to interact with them when they are there, and that they can get to that place at all times no matter what. You have to consider how you will ensure the dogs needs if it is sick or injured and needs time out to recover, etc, etc.

The best way I have seen facility dogs work is when they live with a staff members family, usually the manager or something and they go to work with that staff member each day. The dog is able to have days off if needed, and to be guaranteed to be left alone if they are sick or injured or whatever. They have a bed/crate in the managers office and are able to get to that place if needed. They can be around the residents of their own free will, taken for walks by staff, etc, etc, but also has one main human who is resposnsible for them, and a home that they truely do belong to.

In the situation of a group home I would consider either a cat living in, as they are independent creatures and really do not bond the way dogs do, and/or a visiting therapy dog team or teams to help all the clients and not just the one woman in this situation.

I disagree with the idea that service dogs should never have contact with anyone except for its handler. Sure I am the most important person in Brooke's life, but taht does not mean that I would enve allow others to interact with her. WHen freinds and family visit she is off duty and is free to be a dog, and to play with them, etc, and with their pets, etc. This has never ever impeded her ability to ignore other people and the termpatatins they try to place in front of her. Teh simple fact to her is that her food is her food and it is in ther bowl and/or my hand, not someones elses. ANd since her food is not a cheeseburger, frech fry or whatever then she will not acceopt it ,even if offered to her. I do not need to command her to leave it, or ask people to leave ehr alone, she is working and that is nto her food, end of story. To me it is about rescect fo r the dog. I allow her to choose if and when she wants to interact with people when she is off duty, but to the same degree that is also what she expects. She gets annoyedto some degree when she has hands all over her in public. she has a job to do and wants to foucs on that job but once at home, I feel she should be able to be a normal dog. I would also fear that if no one other than me did interact with her, then how would she cope when I am ill or injured and unable to care for her. Sure I am her ultiamte leader, but that does not mean that she is incapeble f interacting with and enjoying the company and compansionship of other people.

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Re: Help me help someone with multiple disabilities: I am lost! ESA? SD???
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2009, 01:56:07 AM »
I second the idea of either therapy dog visits, or a cat an as ESA for all four people..or both. I don't think an SD or a dog ESA is appropriate, but as has been said already cats are very independant, and require minimal care. They can thrive as long as they're fed, watered, and the litter is cleaned regularly - they don't need nearly the consistency and attention that a dog does (this is why we have a clinic cat at work, and not a clinic dog). A nice cuddly cat would be good.  I'm sure there's probably a therapy dog team somewhere around you that would love to come visit regularly :smile:
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